Training More Doctors Should Be Our First Priority, Says Ethicist

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Hi. I’m Art Caplan. I'm at the Division of Medical Ethics at NYU’s Grossman School of Medicine.

Recently, the Supreme Court of the United States struck down the use of affirmative action in admissions to colleges, universities, medical schools, and nursing schools. This has led to an enormous amount of worry and concern, particularly in medical school admissions in the world I'm in, where people start to say that diversity matters. Diversity is important.

I know many deans of medical schools immediately sent out messages of reassurance to their students, saying NYU or Stanford or Harvard or Minnesota or Case Western is still deeply concerned about diversity, and we're going to do what we can to preserve attention to diversity.

I've served on admissions at a number of schools over the years for med school. I understand — and have been told — that diversity is important. and according to the Supreme Court, not explicitly by race. There are obviously many variables to take into account when trying to keep diversity at the forefront of admissions.

At the schools I've been at, including Columbia, NYU, University of Pittsburgh (Pitt), University of Minnesota, and University of Pennsylvania (Penn), there are plenty of qualified students. Happily, we've always been engaged in some effort to try and whittle down the class to the size that we can manage and accept, and many qualified students don't get admitted.

The first order of business for me is not to worry about how to maintain diversity. It's to recognize that we need more doctors, nurses, and mental health care providers. I will, in a second, say a few words about diversity and where it fits into admissions, but I want to make the point clearly that what we should be doing is trying to expand the pool of students who are going to become doctors, nurses, mental health care providers, and social workers.

There are too many early retirements. We don't have the person power we need to manage the healthcare challenges of an aging population. Let's not get lost in arguing about what characteristics ought to get you into the finest medical schools. Let's realize that we have to expand the number of schools we have.

We better be working pretty hard to expand our physician assistant programs, to make sure that we give full authority to qualified dentists and nurses who can help deliver some clinical care. We need more folks. That's really where the battle ought to be: How do we get that done and how do we get it done quickly, not arguing about who's in, who's out, and why.

That said, diversity to me has never meant just race. I'm always interested in gender orientation, disability, and geographic input. Sometimes in decisions that you're looking at, when I have students in front of me, they tell me they play a musical instrument or about the obstacles they had to overcome to get to medical school. Some of them will say they were involved in 4-H and did rodeo in high school or junior high school, which makes them a diverse potential student with characteristics that maybe some others don't bring.

I'm not against diversity. I think having a rich set of experiences in any class — medicine, nursing, whatever it's going to be — is beneficial to the students. They learn from each other. It is sometimes said that it's also good for patients. I'm a little less excited about that, because I think our training goal should be to make every medical student and nursing student qualified to treat anybody.

I don't think that, just because you're Latinx or gay, that's going to make a gay patient feel better. I think we should teach our students how to give care to everybody that they encounter. They shouldn't have to match up characteristics to feel like they're going to get quality care. That isn't the right reason.

Diversity is important, I think, to teach our students, to broaden our research, and to make sure that bias doesn't creep in to how we teach, learn, or behave. When you have a diverse set of providers, they can call that out and be on the alert for it, and that's very important.

I also believe that we should think widely and broadly about diversity. Maybe race is out, but certainly other experiences related to income, background, struggle that got you to the point where you're applying to medical school, motivation, the kinds of experiences you might have had caring for an elderly person, dealing with a disability or learning disability, and trying to overcome, let's say, going to school in a poor area with not such a wonderful school, really help in terms of forming professionalism, empathy, and a caring point of view.

To me, the main goal is to expand our workforce. The secondary goal is to stay diverse, because we get better providers when we do so.

I'm Art Caplan at the Division of Medical Ethics at NYU’s Grossman School of Medicine. Thanks for watching.

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